THIS PAGE HAS BEEN ACTIVATED AS THE NEW STATESMAN BLOG IS NOW CLOSED FOR COMMENTS
At 10am this morning, the New Statesman finally closed the Mark Lynas thread on their website after 1715 comments had been added over a period of five months. I don’t know whether this constitutes any kind of a record, but gratitude is certainly due to the editor of of the New Statesman for hosting the discussion so patiently and also for publishing articles from Dr David Whitehouse and Mark Lynas that have created so much interest.
This page is now live, and anyone who would like to continue the discussion here is welcome to do so. I have copied the most recent contributions at the New Statesman as the first comment for the sake of convenience. If you want to refer back to either of the original threads, then you can find them here:
Dr David Whitehouse’s article can be found here with all 1289 comments.
Mark Lynas’ attempted refutation can be found here with 1715 comments.
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Apologies for that Tony. But many congratulations: to have hosted such a venerable, amusing, good humoured and informative thread, steering it through its 10,000th post is a fine achievement. Thanks from all of us.
Tony: I posted my apology (for shooting your fox) before I saw your 6998 – of course, my praise and thanks for you, sir, still highly appropriate.
(Re the cricket, England soldiering on at 126 for 2. So far so good.)
Bob_FJ, Robin, TonyN
I have watched American baseball, as well. You are right that it is (unlike American football) rather boring (Brute and JZSmith might disagree with me here). But the score rarely gets into double digits as cricket does.
Now women’s beach volleyball can be quite nice to watch…and we should be seeing more of this as temperatures soar and beaches move inland due to AGW (last part is in there for TonyN, to keep things on topic).
Max
Here! Here!
I can’t believe I was outside enjoying the wonderful summer day in my solar-heated pool when I could have been posting the 10,000th post! Just kidding, of course. Robin, I am honored that you would think of me to get #10K, and had I been online would have done so.
My day consisted of watching The Open Championship, which is early morning for us here on the west coast, then some yard work followed by a relaxing afternoon in the pool. So much for worrying about AGW!
Brute, I share your concerns with the Obamaniacs using AGW and the financial crisis as an excuse to further their agenda. It is very frightening, but I also sense the tide shifting against them. The American people—at least those who vote—are tired of paying taxes, and tired of unthinkable deficits, I believe that the left has overreached on C-n-T, and surely will on healthcare reform. The people want things fixed, but not turned into a new DMV boondoggle where the Bureau of Healthcare Rationing determines who gets treatment and who doesn’t.
The left and the Obamamaniacs are terrified that healthcare reform might not pass, hence Obama’s recent full-court press.
Sorry, Tony, I have again strayed OT, but I hope you will forgive me since it it Sunday.
One more thing: For the record, I LOVE baseball. I can’t hardly work in my yard without having a game on the radio, and frankly I pity those of you who cannot grasp it’s many layers of strategy, history, intrigue, and gamesmanship.
To try to keep this a tiny but ON topic, we had the coolest spring in decades here in southern California.
To appease the OT Gods, I saw this just now:
And now the Secretary of State of the US, Hillary Clinton, APOLOGIZES to India for the mistakes made that “contributed most significantly to the problem that we face with climate change”.
JZSmith
It is a bit bizzare that US Secretary of State Clinton should apologize to India after India has told the Western world where they can stick their carbon caps.
The whole cap-n-trade story in the USA has become a political circus, with the Obama administration scrambling to get a new source of tax revenues to finance its glorious spending plans.
If the US House rejects cap-n-trade, China and India can only chuckle while the whole carbon cap scheme falls apart like a house of cards.
If the US House passes some sort of watered down and fully loaded up cap-n-trade bill (particularly if they insert a clause linking US participation to other major developing economies also participating), China and India can still tip the house of cards.
It looks to me like President Obama is going to have to look elsewhere for the trillions of dollars he needs to feed his spending machine.
But you are closer to the scene than I am. What do you think? Will the House hand the administration a defeat? Or will they tie so many strings to a cap-n-trade bill that it is a hollow victory?
Max
Fish are shrinking in response to global warming: study
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.d672f9d7f0f64fefdf0b21e696b41e21.7a1&show_article=1
Robin, TonyN and aficionados,
I thought England’s declaration was a tad early, and very brave, but might have been based on some AGW intelligence.
Did you see Clarke, often claimed as a most brilliant player of spin, partly because of his great ability to dance around the wicket, very convincingly bowled by Swann with just his second ball?
And yet, Johnson at the other end, thought to be in danger from Swann, was bowled by Flintoff.
Oz not quite so cocky now?
‘Tis a funny game, made even more complicated by AGW!
What an extraordinary few days of sport: we had the Open where the veteran Watson all but won it – sadly collapsing in the playoff – and the Ashes. First, England gain a huge initial advantage (bite fingermails) and (I agree with Bob) seem to put it at risk with an early declaration, then Australia start poorly but, to England’s dismay, amazingly get to a situation where they have a realistic chance of a win, then Freddy F has an amazing bowling spell and England do it – their first Test win against the Aussies at Lord’s since 1934!
Back to AGW. JZ and Max: India’s response to Clinton puts the hard reality into focus. The West’s extreme folly is plainly exposed by China and India’s sensible refusal to play ball. Yet our politicians push on with their mad, job destroying plans. This article in the Sunday Times puts it brilliantly. And I was surprised to see this balanced piece (Missing Its Spots) in the New York Times.
Now even the Grey Lady herself is starting to get on the skeptic bandwagon, running an article about the possible solar max being a min. I’m sure, however, that the Warmers will just say that the sun is only “masking” the effects of AGW, and that this will only give us time to correct our evil ways.
Gore’s hometown Nashville Breaks 1877 Cold Temp Record…
http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-tn–recordcool,0,4032125.story
I look forward to hearing Al Gore’s reaction to the news from Nashville! It will be the weather, not the climate, of course, even though it seems to be happening in lots of other places (16C/61F here in the allegedly sunny Isle of Wight)…
Little something of interest to the Brits out there (and probably anyone else)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/22/wind_intermittency_study/
James P
I know they do cider in Somerset and around nearby counties….. But:
What are you on in the IOW?
(16C/61F here in the allegedly sunny Isle of Wight)
Sheez, in SE OZ, in mid winter, 16C is mildly challenging, although we might get 13C over the W/E as forecast
What are you on in the IOW?
Not a lot of locally sourced alcohol, although we have a couple of small breweries, the better known of which is run by a character who lost money in the Lloyd’s insurance debacle some years back. His most famouse brew is thus called “Duck’s Folly” which is a rather splendid anagram…
famouse = famous. Strewth!
Does anyone know anything about this “Green World Trust” website? I see it’s based in the UK (Somerset). And, in particular, what do you think of this remarkable (detail and reference packed) article setting out the author’s transition from AGW believer to sceptic? Who, incidentally, is the author?
I seem to remember that the author is Lucy Skywalker who has commented on other threads here and is a regular at WUWT. But I may be wrong.
Tony is correct and the persons name is Lucy Skywalker. They have done a remarkable job of pulling together a huge amount of information and I have commended them on their efforts. It demonstrates that if people put aside their preconceived ideas and truly try and gather all the information published on this subject, it is very difficult to find any compelling reason to support the case for man made CO2 emissions causing catastrophic global warming. Now if only we could ensure our political leaders had to follow this process before they were able to make momentous decisions, then we would have fewer decisions but they may all be based on a little more than hearsay.
Prince Charles: 96 Months to Save the World
Prince Chucklehead has again demonstrated [Snip – see blog rule 4]that we have only 96 months to save the world by plunging the West into economic ruin in the name of the polar bears.
Capitalism and consumerism have brought the world to the brink of economic and environmental collapse, the Prince of Wales has warned in a grandstand speech which set out his concerns for the future of the planet.
The heir to the throne told an audience of industrialists and environmentalists at St James’s Palace last night that he had calculated that we have just 96 months left to save the world.
And in a searing indictment on capitalist society, Charles said we can no longer afford consumerism and that the “age of convenience” was over.
The chutzpah and [Snip] demanding that we live like Third World peasants while he munches caviar in taxpayer-financed castles and jets around the world spewing the CO2 we’re supposed to pretend is poisonous defies comprehension.
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/07/prince_chuckleh_4.html
The comments on the Delingpole/Plimer article here are still active – and are quite interesting, especially re the lack of balanced public debate. Some may wish to add to it.
Brute
Re Prince Charles
Contrary to how it works in your country or mine, this guy can’t be fired.
His good Mummy must be cringing at her son’s silly behavior (96 months indeed!).
Max
Robin reur 7023 I have been “lurking” on the Delingpole/Plimer site and following your exchange with a JSmith (obviously not our JZSmith!).
It is very interesting how he has tried to evade the basic issue of lack of empirical scientific data to support his viewpoint by bringing up side issues like creationism vs. Darwin.
“Deja vu all over again”, as the famous American baseball player Yogi Berra once remarked.
I believe that there must be a standard “catechism” of “how to talk to a skeptic”, which these guys all follow.
Just for the fun of it, I joined in quickly.
Max