Last week it became clear that the Advertising Standards Authority had launched an inquiry into the Government’s £6m TV advertising campaign aimed at climate change sceptics. Now it appears that the UK broadcasting regulator, Ofcom, will also investigate complaints that the advert is politically motivated and therefore breeches the ban on broadcasting political adverts. They would seem to have good reason for deciding to do so.
This is what the advert tells viewers about climate change:
(If the video viewer does not appear on your computer then use this link)
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So far, the ASA has received over 650 complaints and rising. That score ranks with the most complained about advert of 2008, which attracted 840 complaints. According to a letter that I received from the ASA this morning the following points will be investigated:
1. The ad was political in nature and should not be broadcast;
2. The theme and content of the ad, for example the dog drowning in the storybook and the depiction of the young girl to whom the story was being read, could be distressing for children who saw it;
3. The ad should not have been shown when children were likely to be watching television;
4. The ad was misleading because it presented human induced climate change as a fact, when there was a significant division amongst the scientific community on that point;
5. The claim “over 40% of the C02 was coming from ordinary everyday things” was misleading;
6. The representation of C02 as a rising cloud of black smog was misleading;
7. The claims about the possible advent of strange weather and flooding, and associated imagery in the ad, in the UK were exaggerated, distressing and misleading;
They also say that:
Points (1) and (4) in relation to the TV ad may be subject to Section 4 of the CAP (Broadcast) TV Advertising Standards Code, which is administered by Ofcom. We will therefore be referring to Ofcom objections to the TV campaign raised in respect of ‘political’ objectives; Ofcom will in due course be publishing a Finding of its determination. When both bodies have concluded their investigations, we plan to notify complainants of both our and Ofcom’s determinations.
This is what Section 4 of the CAP (Broadcast) TV Advertising Standards Code says:
SECTION 4: POLITICAL AND CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES
No advertisement:
(a) may be inserted by or on behalf of any body whose objects are wholly or mainly of a political nature
(b) may be directed towards any political end
(c) may have any relation to any industrial dispute (with limited exceptions)
Note to 4(c):
The Broadcasting Act 1990 specifically exempts public service advertisements
by or on behalf of a government department from the prohibition of
advertisements having ‘any relation to any industrial dispute’.
(d) may show partiality as respects matters of political or industrial controversy
or relating to current public policy
Notes to Section 4:
(1) The purpose of this prohibition is to prevent well-funded organisations from
using the power of television advertising to distort the balance of political debate. The rule reflects the statutory ban on ‘political’ advertising on
television in the Broadcasting Act 1990.
(2) The term ‘political’ here is used in a wider sense than ‘party political’. The
rule prevents, for example, issue campaigning for the purpose of influencing
legislation or executive action by legislatures either at home or abroad. Where
there is a risk that advertising could breach this rule, prospective advertisers
should seek guidance from licensees before developing specific proposals.
(3) The setting of standards and investigations of complaints in relation to
political advertising have not been contracted out to BCAP and the ASA and
remain matters for Ofcom. The ASA refers complaints about political advertising to Ofcom.
[my emphasis]
http://www.cap.org.uk/The-Codes/~/media/Files/CAP/Codes/BCAPTVAdCode.ashx
Note (2) has particular resonance in view of the imminence of the Copenhagen summit.
The ASA’s letter ends with the following rather strange request:
Please treat all correspondence as confidential until such time as a decision is published on our website.
Had I given an undertaking to treat whatever the ASA told me in confidence before receiving this letter I would of course abide by that commitment. But no such request was made and it would seem to me that it is in the public interest that what is happening should be in the public domain. In fact I can think of absolutely no reason for requesting confidentiality other than to spare the government’s blushes, and I certainly hope that was not what motivated the ASA. Both the ASA and Ofcom can take a very considerable time to reach decisions that appear on their web sites, so it is very strange to expect that there should be no public discussion of these matters in the meantime.
All this is very embarrassing for the government, and for Ed Miliband’s Department of Energy and Climate Change in particular. They commissioned the advert in the run-up to the Copenhagen climate change summit in December because opinion polls indicate that there is still widespread scepticism about global warming.
A report at the TIMESONLINE - apparently based on pre-launch media briefings - says that the advertising campaign ‘will be the first to state unequivocally that Man is causing global warming and endangering life on Earth’, and that is precisely what it does. But scientific evidence does not endorse that claim, as many of those who have complained to the ASA have pointed out.
In defending the campaign, climate change minister Joan Ruddock told the Guardian that:
‘It is consistent with government policy on the issue, which is informed by the latest science and assessments of peer-reviewed, scientific literature made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and other international bodies.’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/16/complaints-government-climate-change-ad
In fact neither the IPCC nor the Royal Society, the UK’s national academy of science and an international body of great repute, have made unequivocal statements about the causes or effects of global warming. The IPCC says only that ‘most’ of the mid-20th century global warming was ‘very likely’ caused by human influence. This leaves considerable scope for other, natural, causes.
A statement on climate change at the Royal Society website says that rising temperatures, changing sea levels, and impacts on global weather are a ‘possible’ consequences of climate change and that these changes ‘could’ have serious impacts. Far from claiming that there is unequivocal evidence of human influence they refer only to ‘an international scientific consensus’.
Then there is the growing realisation, now accepted by climate scientists and increasingly being reported in the media, that global average temperatures have failed to rise for a decade. The advert provides no hint of this but portrays global warming a growing threat which is entirely due to human activity, and preventable by changing our lifestyles.
So it is hard to see how the ASA can fail to condemn this advert as being misleading, but what about the political motivation that seems to underlie such an eye-catching initiative? This is not a matter for the ASA, but for Ofcom who are responsible for enforcing legislation that forbids political advertising.
The Copenhagen climate change summit in December could see the UK saddled with massive contributions to the annual payments that will have to be made to the developing countries, including China and India, if they are to be persuaded to cut carbon emissions. In the run-up to a general election, how do you sell that kind of commitment to a public that is by no means convinced that there is a problem, but is increasingly concerned about spiralling public debt?
The political stakes are high. Ed Miliband has been widely tipped as a possible successor to Gordon Brown as leader of the Labour Party. The foreign secretary, who is likely to play a major role at the summit, happens to be his brother David. He is thought to have his sights set on becoming the EU’s new High Representative (foreign minister) when the Lisbon Treaty comes into force. For both of them it is very important that whatever is agreed at Copenhagen should be applauded by the public when they return and not derided as an act of New Labour folly.
In a speech to the Major Economies Forum in London last week the prime minister, Gordon Brown, claimed that there was only 50 days left to save the world from global warming, and that there was no ‘plan B’ if the Copenhagen negotiations fail. He too is in desperate need of public support. A great deal of political capital is riding on the effect that those adverts may have, and this makes claims that they were politically inspired, and therefor illegal, all the more credible. The Copenhagen summit is beginning to look more and more like a political minefield where career-terminating damage may be inflicted if the government’s policies cannot be made to look sensible by mid-December.
The prime minister is fond of boasting that Britain leads the world in the war on climate change, and this is not the first time that our government has been spooked by lack of public support in the run-up to a war. What seems to be happening now is horribly reminiscent of the prelude to the invasion of Iraq, when scepticism about the need for military intervention was an obstacle to government policy.
Tony Blair and Alastair Campbell’s solution was the ‘dodgy dossier’, providing what appeared to be unequivocal evidence that Saddam Hussein was in possession of weapons of mass destruction and claiming that this was based on robust intelligence. Now it would seem that Gordon Brown’s administration is employing the same techniques to win support for policies for which they might otherwise be cold shouldered by the electorate as a general election approaches. The TV adverts are being funded by six million pounds of taxpayer’s money.
It will be interesting to see whether the electorate are as gullible the second time round, and just how independent and courageous the ASA and Ofcom prove to be when confronted with very politically sensitive decisions.
Update 02/11/2009: See comment #4 below for something new about this.
Ironically, a large proportion of those who opposed the war and marched, will be the same ones who are evangelising on global warming, nka (now known as),climate change
Congratulations to TonyB (NS thread #8021) for finding Ed Miliband’s moving defence of free speech:
“whipped up by the sceptics, nearly six hundred people have complained about [the ad] in a bid to get it banned. Don’t let the sceptics silence us”.
It’s on his official site (with Labour Party logo) where he also invites his readers to oppose Kenneth Clark, write to David Cameron, etc. So it’s perfect proof that the ad is party political. I think Ofcom should be told.
The text on Ed Miliband’s site appears to have been changed slightly overnight. The following paragraph appears to have gone:
“I know you care about climate change, but as we’ve seen in recent weeks, not everyone does. Indeed there are many people who still believe it’s not happening, or if it is, the activities of human beings have nothing to do with it.”
I’m sure it was there yesterday.
This is from a comment that Tony B posted on another thread:
This would appear to add weight to complaints that the adverts are linked to party politiccal activity and therefore infringe Section 4 of the Advertising Code that Ofcom are supposed to enforce.
These follow-up coments are also relevant:
But see also a comment posted later on this thread #3 here.
Well spotted, Alex (post 3) - those words have been removed. I wonder why? Could it be that they might be interpreted as suggesting that there might be another - legitimate - view on AGW?
TonyN: re your comments above, I argued (in an email to the ASA) that the ad was not political, even within their Code’s (the same wording as the CAPBTV code) extended meaning of “political” - see my post here. The ASA said they would consult with OFCOM about this. But I heard no more on the question.
I notice that Ed Miliband doesn’t invite comments on his blog, and that his ‘poll’ is of the ‘when did you stop beating your wife’ variety.
A ‘none of the above’ option might have been revealing, but as poor Professor Nutt knows, Zanulabour isn’t very interested in debate or dissent.
whipped up by the sceptics
OK - who’s responsible?
I’d love to know what he bases that notion on! He seem to forget that we’re not the alarmists…
James (6) - yes: did you stop beating your wife (i) today (ii) yesterday or (iii) the day before? I suspect young Ed has no inkling of the weight or extent of informed UK opinion that disagrees with him - see for example the results of that SM poll or the comments on this Times article.
Robin, it’s thanks to TonyB really for posting the entire text earlier, when it first appeared. Goes to show that revisions, amendments and deletions, no matter how small, can be very telling.
On that note, here’s a website that might be useful sometimes; click on the “Revisionista” link to see BBC news stories which have gone through a number of versions (most probably for perfectly valid reasons, it must be said.)
to Robin at #6
Yes the Times article you link to provokes some healthy scepticism from readers. Though none of the commenters I’ve read make the point that Sir David King, who is warning against exaggerated claims on climate change, was recently telling us we’d all have to emigrate to Antarctica, a point made well by Delingpole in theTelegraph.
No doubt Ed Miliband thinks all these comments have been whipped up by Harmless Sky and Wattsupwiththat, and that TonyN and Anthony Watts are operating secret networks of astroturfers financed by Big Oil. Weird to see leftist politicians using the kind of “red scare” tactics used for so long against them.
Don’t let the sceptics silence us
I wish..!
[TonyN: I’m unclear about when you prefer contributors to post on this thread or on the original bedtime story thread. If this is in the wrong place, please move it.]
It’s interesting that the ASA has updated its web page about this ad. See this. It tells us that it has now received “over seven hundred complaints” - so it’s heading towards a record. (That’s not significant, however, as the multiple complaints tend to be turned down.) Note the comment at the end about inability to enter into personal correspondence.
As I’ve noted elsewhere, I believe four of my earlier complaints have been overlooked. Therefore, acting on the ASA’s advice in its penultimate paragraph, I’ve made another complaint as follows:
Robin:
I think that it is best if all comments are posted on the most recent thread dealing with the ads.
It will be interesting to see if the ASA’s web page is updated in the light of your new complaint.
Re your #5 above, we seem to take a different view on the political implications of this advert.
Although it is certainly possible to argue that there is little public controversy over the scientific evidence of AGW, it is also possible to argue the opposite, and that if there was no significant public controversy then there would be no need for the advertising campaign. What is certain is that measures intended to mitigate global warming are controversial:energy saving light bulbs, wind farms, carbon taxes, new runway at Heathrow, climate camps and direct action, etc, etc. These controversies are all contingent on belief that AGW is happening.
However Sec 4 of the CAP (Broadcast) TV Advertising Standards Code, which Ofcom has a statutory duty to enforce, also says:
I do not think that it is possible for anyone to construct plausible arguments that this advert does not ‘relate to current public policy’, and it certainly presents a one-sided view of the extent, causes, risks and apparently inevitable consequences of global warming.
The advert is clearly intended to convey the DECC (government) view on climate change. At no point is there any indication that there can be any other point of view. It is the stated intention of the advertisers (in the persons of Miliband and Ruddock) to change the minds of sceptics. That they admit that there are sceptics, and a great many of them, acknowledges that there is another, and widely held, point of view on AGW. Indeed the very need for the advertising campaign, at a cost of £6m, confirms that this is the case. The advert is therefore one-sided, representing only the advertiser’s point of view, and if it is one-sided it must also ‘show partiality’
In any case I will be taking this up with Ofcom.
Just sent an e-mail to Jenny Alexander at ASA and have made similar points to Robin’s 1 and 4. I have also written this:
“I note that the first in the list of points to be investigated is: “The ad was political in nature and should not be broadcast”. In Section 4 (Political and Controversial Issues) of your TV Advertising Standards Code, the ASA states: “No advertisement: (a) may be inserted by or on behalf of any body whose objects are wholly or mainly of a political nature, (b) may be directed towards any political end.” In the Notes to Section 4, the ASA states that: “The purpose of this prohibition is to prevent well-funded organisations from using the power of television advertising to distort the balance of political debate. The rule reflects the statutory ban on ‘political’ advertising on television in the Broadcasting Act 1990.”
It increasingly appears to me that, among its other qualities, this ad is mainly of a political nature and directed towards a political end. On Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change Ed Miliband’s website http://www.edspledge.com there has (as of Sunday 1st November 2009) appeared this page (apologies for the long link): [link]. On this page, Ed Miliband urges readers to use a web form to tell their friends to watch the advert and join the Ed’s Pledge campaign.
This is what he writes: “The advert they are trying to ban. As part of an effort to raise peoples’ awareness of man-made climate change and what we can all do about it, the government had this advert made. Now, whipped up by the sceptics, nearly six hundred people have complained about it in a bid to get it banned. Don’t let the sceptics silence us - use the form below to tell a friend to watch the advert and join the Ed’s Pledge campaign.”
Ed’s Pledge appears to be definitely of a party political nature; recently, as you can see from the website (link @http://www.edspledge.com/success-letter) Ed Miliband has used this resource to muster co-signatures on a letter to David Cameron, urging him to persuade Conservative MP Ken Clarke to retract comments made about building wind farms. This campaign would thus appear to be wholly or in part about gaining political advantage over the Conservatives. As such, by linking the Bedtime Stories advert to Ed’s Pledge, on a political web page displaying the Labour Party name and logo, Ed Miliband (and by association, the Department of Energy and Climate Change, sponsors of the advert) would appear to be in breach of Section 4 a) and b).”
Also…
Found something interesting today, a post written on October 21st by Dr Alice Bell (Lecturer in Science Communication at Imperial College, London) on a website called The Science Project. Although she is not a sceptic (”I want to emphasise that I’m largely on the side of ACT ON CO2″) she is critical of the way DECC announced in its press release that the Act on CO2 campaign was based on “timely research” but this research is actually nowhere to be found.
Alex:
I really think that it would be worth sending that to Ofcom too. The political content of the advert falls firmly into their sphere of responsibility and I would be reluctant to rely on the ASA to act as a reliable forwarding agent in view of the way that points that both you and Robin seem to have disappeared. Also, Ofcom reply to correspondence; their Gudelines makes it virtually impossible for them to do otherwise to do otherwise.
The link to Dr Bell’s post is fascinating. From the DECC’s press release:
That is more than the IPCC, the Royal Society or any other responsible scientific body is prepared to do.
Just in time for the ‘pantomime’ season?
TonyN: note that the “timely research” that Dr Alice Bell couldn’t find was about the DECC “finding” that “over 50% of people questioned don’t believe climate change will affect them …” - as made public when the campaign was launched. It was opinion research, not scientific research about the causes of climate change. I couldn’t find it either.
As she says,
Agreed.
The adverts seem to be attracting criticism even from those who stand to benefit:
http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/news/948285/B-Q-chief-launches-tirade-against-CO2-ad/
Sent a separate complaint to OfCom this evening. Also received an e-mail from ASA’s Jenny Alexander with a link to a PDF file on the ASA site: ActonCO2QandA.pdf
Unfortunately I can’t get the link to work properly; has anyone else managed to access this? (Here’s the link.)
TonyN, re panto season, it could be argued that it has already arrived:
UK Gov: “Give us all the rest of your money, ‘cos man-made CO2 is the greatest threat the world has ever faced!”
UK sceptics (85% of population and rising): “Oh no it isn’t!”
UK Gov: “OH YES IT IS!”
UK sceptics: “OH NO IT ISN’T!”
(Repeat, etc.)
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Alex Reur 18, here is a copy of ASA’s pdf.
Frequently Asked Questions
Q: Why are the ads still appearing?
A: The rules say that advertising that breaches the advertising Codes should not appear. At
this stage, we are investigating to see whether the Codes have been breached. If the ASA
upholds the complaints on one or more points, we will take action to ensure they are
removed or amended, depending on the nature of the breach.
Q: How can I follow the progress of the case and when will you make a decision?
A: In line with our procedures, we have advised the Department of Energy and Climate
Change of the seven points we are investigating and now need to allow them time to
respond. The complaint that the TV ad is political in nature is a matter that falls outside our
remit. We have referred those complaints to Ofcom for consideration under their regulatory
powers and they will reach a determination on that issue separately.
At this stage it is impossible to say exactly when a decision will be made because that
depends on the response we receive and also on the outcome of Ofcom’s investigation.
Due to the high volume of complaints, we are unable to enter into individual dialogue or
correspondence with complainants about the investigation. However, we will inform all
complainants about the outcome of the investigation. Our final ruling will also be published in
full on our website.
Further information about our investigations procedures and standards of service can be
found at http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/about/standards/.
Q: My complaint was different from those you say you are investigating. Why are you
not investigating my complaint?
A: Many people have complained about similar issues but have used their own words. We
have summarised those points, but it is impossible to reflect the exact wording of every
complaint. If we do not seem to have covered a point you made, it is either because we
consider that it is sufficiently similar to be included in one of the points we are investigating,
or that the ads are unlikely to breach the Advertising Codes on those grounds.
If you have a point of complaint that you have not previously submitted, which does not fall
under one of the seven points that we are investigating, then please lodge it with us using
our complaints form: http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/how_to_complain/complaints_form/.
Just to say thanks, Bob!
Concerning the first item in the FAQ, the ASA’s targets for completing an investigation are 80 days to 140 days depending on whether the issues are simple or complex. They have already said that this case is so complex that it may take a little longer.
Ofcom has the power to ban an advert pending investigation, but only in exceptional circumstances.
Further to my #12, I received an email from the ASA yesterday, saying that it had “passed your complaint to our Complaints team. A Complaints Executive will assess your complaint and will reply in full as soon as possible.” I was given a new reference number.
So I wait to hear.
Alex (your #14): I wouldn’t expect you to get anything more than a formal reply. Note this from the FAQs (#20): “Due to the high volume of complaints, we are unable to enter into individual dialogue or correspondence with complainants about the investigation.”
It may be best to make a new complaint.
I wrote to my MP (David Drew Labour Stroud) to complain about the advertising campaign. His first reply to me contained this quotation
and
and to finish
Needless to say there were precious few facts in his hurried reply, and a demonstration of a complete lack of understanding. My dilemma is do I engage with him and using conciliatory language and try and educate him or do I hit him with both barrels.
[TonyN: Thanks Peter. I notice that Drew’s majority at the last election was just 350. If that is the kind of letter he writes to his constituents I doubt whether it would even need a swing against Labour for him to collect his P45 next spring]
I will not be complaining about this ad, ridiculous though it is. IMHO, this kind of hysterical exaggerated scaremongering and blatant propaganda will have the effect of bringing more people over to the sceptic side.
Hi Paul;
I think that you are probably right about the effect that the adverts will have but wrong about complaining.
Numbers seem to count in cases like this even if both the ASA and Ofcom say that this is not the case. There are likely to be some advisers at DECC who will be watching the steadily mounting score rather carefully and wondering what questions they may have to answer at the next departmental meeting.
And remember that the ASA published a list of the top ten most complained about adverts in their annual report last year. Will DECC top the list this year?
Paul:
I agree with Tony. Of course you’re right: the ads will probably “have the effect of bringing more people over to the sceptic side”. Nonetheless, it’s worth complaining for two reasons: (1) the ads are continuing despite the complaints (so the sceptic boosting will happen anyway) and (2) I suspect the DECC (and Ed Miliband) has no idea of the strength of rational dislike of these ads - more complaints must reinforce that. So go for it - complain!
As an outsider to UK politics, I hope you will permit me to comment anyway.
The statement (#4) by Ed Milliband (a paid servant of the public) exhorting the same public to support and circulate a propaganda advert directed at the public, which Milliband has sponsored and payed with tax-payer funds, is unbelievably arrogant.
It shows that he is totally out of touch with those who are paying his salary.
The exhortation:
Sounds like:
[But it looks likely that they will do just that.]
Max
Robin, TonyN, PaulM
There is no doubt that the ads “will have the effect of bringing more people over to the sceptic side” (as the SM poll is showing).
But so will the complaints (these are not “disappearing” into a vacuum).
It looks as though the only ones who are not “getting it” are Brown, Milliband, et al.
I believe that the recent world-wide public reaction against AGW has been caused largely by two factors:
- the exaggerated predictions of disaster (which never materialize)
- the arrogance of those making these predictions
And, as Einstein has remarked, arrogance and ignorance often go hand in hand.
Max
Further to Max’s 29,
I guess the more complaints there are, the more likely that the ad’ will eventually be banned. Also, if the government is forced to apologise to the public, that would surely increase the swing towards scepticism.
I also imagine that the media would give it considerable attention and maybe this would prompt some sources to follow-up and question other things. (even maybe considering the poll numbers for what the public opinion is)
Further to my 30:
(even maybe considering the poll numbers for what the public opinion is)
I guess too, that public anger would also increase, with follow-on effects.
For instance, I’ve just had an Email from my UK sister in-law, saying her partner;
…gets hot under the collar with all the global warming hysteria.
Peter’s letter from David Drew MP at #24 is a classic. And that’s just the first one? Can we have more please? After accusing a constituent of belonging to the lunatic fringe, he goes on about “carbon and other elements and gases that cause global catastrophe”. What would you say to a thirteen-year-old who wrote that in a chemistry exam?
Maybe everyone should write to their MPs and we could make an anthology of their replies. I don’t have an MP, but I once shared a flat with Diane Abbott. The last time I looked, her blog was full of penguins and polar bears. I think I’ll drop her a line.
Re: Alex Cull’s mention of Dr Alice Bell’s post on her experiences when trying to find out a little more about the adverts, there is now a link to an update here:
http://www.echae.com/scienceproject/archives/2009/10/open_access_research_in_advert.html
Hi all,
Considering the comments above you would all probably enjoy what happened in one of my (few) lectures. To set the scene in our lectures there are two people who really talk much. There is me and then there is a girl I call Blondie. Blondie and I only have the ability to argue well and a faith in democracy in common, the rest is almost directly opposite. I arrived early and set up the projector to play the Propaganda clip of theirs with the child in it.
The lecturer didn’t get a chance to stop the argument that unfolded as some poor soul said that, albeit a terrible advert (this was unanimously agreed) we should forgive it because it was promoting a good cause. This lead to the second time in my memory that Blondie and I united forces. We spent the best part of 15 minutes tearing advert to shreds (something the lecturer attempted to stop, but in the face of Blondie and I she couldn’t) pointing out the way it demonised those that didn’t act within government guidelines, etc.
How the establishment believes that they can get away with this advert when it unites climate change sceptics and believers in universal hate for propaganda is totally beyond me.
Thanks Leo.
This just happened to catch my eye today:
Is this the real motivation behind the advertising campaign? It certainly seems possible as I suggested in the header post.
If the public reject AGW hype, then I very much hope that it will not be for the reasons that Kronig gives, but rather in the spirit of the students at your lecture.
That is an interesting post, and one that I have seen arise in other German writings, although AGW seems to have found a comfy home in the German ideology so dislodging it from there will be a lengthy process (not that it isn’t taking too long over here).
Sadly though, I think that Krönig has got it right, people will reject the actual binding of their lifestyle not the idea that it is wrong to bind people. The arguments held in my pub are very very different from the ideological ones of the University.
Most of the questions I get in the pub centre around how it hasn’t materialised as they said it would and how they fear losing out over others. The University centres around if it is right or wrong to restrict our movement to ‘save’ the future generations.
I think that I would probably go with the people in the pub rather than the ones at the university, but not because I think that they are right about the evidence.
It would be a mistake to read too much into the present down-turn in temperatures, but at least the drinkers are questioning AGW on the grounds of observation and plausibility. If the students and their lecturers are only considering the ethics of mitigation measures then they would seem to have skipped the all important ‘Why are we doing these things?’ stage.
Of course both these attitudes can have politically potent effects on public opinion. However surly it is far better that people should reject the message of the government’s adverts because they don’t think there is a problem rather than because they don’t think the government should be telling them what to do even if there is one.
Here’s the text of a full-page ad in last Saturday’s Telegraph:
This was accompanied by a large colour picture showing poor Jack and Jill peering into the well and the empty pail. They are accompanied by a forlorn duck trying to get water from an empty glass and, on the surrounding hills, are the skeletons or two dead trees.
I think I sense another complaint coming on.
I’m intrigued as to why they put this in the Telegraph. This is not a mass readership paper and it’s certainly not going to reach the masses. Politically motivated rather than informing the public perhaps?
Robin, I think there are definite grounds for complaint about this print ad. It might be argued that much of the message the Bedtime Stories TV ad could be explained away as being hypothetical, i.e., something happening in a fictitious land somewhere. But this print ad has a pretty explicit statement - “For example, extreme weather conditions such as flooding, heat waves and storms will become more frequent & intense” - which is obviously meant to be describing our world, and has no room for doubt or uncertainty.
I think this statement can and should be challenged on the basis that the science indicates otherwise. Re “storms will become more frequent and intense”, I’m thinking of a recent NOAA study that concludes that a perceived increase in the number of hurricanes and tropical storms is probably due to better observation and analysis nowadays. There are also recent studies (Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, European Environment Agency and more here on the CO2 Science website) which indicate that flooding patterns in the UK and Europe cannot simply be put down to “climate change”.
The sentence ” If we carry on at this rate, life in 25 years could be very different” is just silly. Is there anyone who doubts that life in 25 years will be very different? It would be highly bizarre if life stayed exactly the same, in a time-warp lasting until 2034.
Peter, re the Telegraph, I wondered about that too. If they are targetting sceptics (The Times: “Climate change sceptics are to be targeted in a hard-hitting government advertising campaign…”), that may be the reason - could they be aiming this at readers of Christopher Booker and James Delingpole?
Thanks Robin for reproducing the text of this masterpiece. This confirms my suspicion that the government is well aware of the difficulty of getting any ad on global warming past the ASA. They have no facts, so they have to wrap the message in fairytales.
Alex is right. It makes sense to target the paper of Booker and Delingpole. It’s read by millions, and it’s an opinion leader, whereas the Sun is an opinion follower. Telegraph readers’ comments tend to be emotional rather than science based, so maybe the government thinks they can be won over with an appeal to fond memories of Mother Goose Rhymes. I’d expect something in the Sunday Times this weekend, though I think they’ll have to do better than this to win over Jeremy Clarkson fans.
Politicians have always been accused of making extravagant promises about a rosy future, so you have to admire them for this:
“If we carry on at this rate, life in 25 years could be very different”. A sort of non-promise disguised as a threat: “Spend zillions or (horror) things might change”.
There is a new and very interesting update on Alice Bell’s blog about her quest for the opinion poll that Joan Ruddock referred to when the advertising campaign was launched:
http://www.echae.com/scienceproject/archives/2009/11/update_research_on_climate_cha.html
TonyN, the update on Alice Bell’s blog shows DECC in a rather odd light, IMO - secretive and rather amateurish.
Geoff, Robin, I’ll see if I can find the Jack and Jill print ad in tomorrow’s papers; in the meantime I’ve found a post about it here, in a blog devoted to copywriting. (The commentators don’t think much of it, even when they agree with its sentiments.)
Geoff, I like your phrase “non-promise disguised as a threat.” It sums up the government’s message very well.
Alex:
I don’t know whether the most recent comment I left at Alic Bell’s blog was there when you visited, but I will be putting in a FOI request for the ‘detailed research’ and following up the questions that I listed.
IMHO the the DECC press office earned their keep with that Oh-so-cosy telephone chat.
TonyN, yes I see what you mean now; it will be interesting to see what this reveals!
Alex: you say (post 40), “there are definite grounds for complaint about this print ad” as its statement about extreme weather leaves no room for doubt or uncertainty. Perhaps - but I think the ASA would say (see its “Important Notice“) that it’s already being investigated so “There is no need to lodge a separate complaint with us”. The relevant item from those under “formal investigation” reads,
Robin, I think you’re right there - I had missed something crucial in the first line of the Important Notice web page, i.e., that the investigation is covering “the ACT ON CO2 ads by the Department for Energy and Climate Change, including the TV ad…”, which would mean that the print ad would be covered too. So yes, no point in raising a separate complaint.
Alex: Mrs G has complained about the print ad yesterday. Here’s what she said (although in her introduction she did say that her first and fourth points appeared to already to be under investigation):
Congratulations to Mrs G for giving this jellyfish of a campaign another wack on the head.
But reading the ad again, I wonder whether we need bother. This ad is not only indefensible, it’s unattackable. It has no argument, no content, no logic. It’s mood music to accompany your inner nightmares.
Consider the sentence: “extreme weather due to climate change had caused a drought”. A double tautology. Drought is extreme weather, which is climate change. Nothing is asserted. There is no assertion in the ad that CO2 is causing anything. No assertion that man is causing anything. It’s like a road safety ad stating “Collisions cause accidents” or an AIDS ad saying “sex causes fornication”.
The copy seems to have been designed specifically to avoid objections under the ASA rules, and to get you to go on the Act on CO2 website, which is presumably not covered by those rules.
A Labour leader once accused his own party of writing an unrealistically optimistic manifesto which he described as “the longest suicide note in history”. This campaign is an official government announcement that they can do nothing, the future is going to be horrible, and it’s our fault. Coming less than a year before a general election, it’s a plea for the right to an assisted suicide - the most expensive doctor’s note in history.
Good point, Geoff.
Also note that “drought” and “storm” are both anglo-saxon words from over 1000 years ago. I guess they had these words to describe events of the time - they did not just invent the words in readiness for the SUVs and plasma-TVs of future generations…
Jack #50 brilliant observation. I teach English at a small French university, and I’m always rabbiting on about how the Anglo-Saxon words are for the normal, everyday things. It was in 1066, at the height of the MWP, that a warming world became “changement climatique”. Maybe there’s some kind of race memory operating among us Anglo-Saxons which associates warm weather with foreign invasions…
Robin - excellent message of complaint from Mrs G. She has put very eloquently and succinctly in a few paragraphs what I struggled to express in a much wordier letter.
Geoff, Jack, just to chip in, “flood” is another word with Anglo-Saxon ancestry (from Old English “flod”.) While looking this up, I found a good quotation from Stephen Crane’s novel The Red Badge of Courage: “A serious prophet upon predicting a flood should be the first man to climb a tree.”
The advert is intentionally misleading the viewer because is contains two separate fictional events and fails to make clear at the end which event the voiceover is referring to.
The first fiction is that of two actors - and the event played out is that of an adult male terrorising an infant girl in the dark. The second fiction is that of an event which is defined as being both make-believe and historical by the word “once” when it is introduced to the viewer.
When the female voice-over states in conclusion that “it is up to us how the story ends” it is not made clear to the viewer which story she is referring to. That is, would I stop little girls being abused by their fathers at night by cutting back on the amount of CO2 I produce? Or would the same effort on my part result in a make-believe infants book having a ‘happy ending’?
Clearly, the first proposition is absurd. I doubt very much that there is any scientific evidence showing man-made CO2 as a cause of child abuse.
If the first story is edited out of the advert, the proposition becomes doubly absurd to its adult target audience. The government conveys its supposed seriousness about CO2 by reading me an infant’s book - believing I am infantile enough to care how it might end and thereby submit to its demand that I ‘act on CO2′.
Peter S #53
I agree with your analysis but I’d avoid using expressions like “little girls being abused by their fathers” in official complaints. It makes us sound hysterical, when the hysteria is all on the other side.
The campaign is so pathetic, it can only be because the government was afraid of precisely the kind of complaints we’ve been making. You don’t spend £6 million without first testing the ads on the public, and surely the first reaction in the focus groups must have been, “it’s all a fairytale” to which the response was presumably “maybe, but let’s do it for the kids, just in case”.
What we have here is a key part of the government’s election manifesto, wrenched out of the political context, presented as scientific fact (without the science) and paid for by the taxpayer. It would be handy if we could find extracts from speeches from government ministers which recall the copy of these ads. That would be a clincher for the argument to put before Ofcom.
Congratulations to everyone for the high level of seriousness in the complaints. I’m sure the people at the ASA and the Central Office of Information will appreciate that. Fairness and neutrality is a big part of their job description, and it must give them some satisfaction to tackle intelligent well-argued complaints. I’m optimistic we’ll get a fair hearing.
Alex, the quote from Stephen Crane is a gem. I get so fed up hearing the same ones (Mencken etc) bandied around.
Yesterday’s Sunday Times Magazine carries this gem over the ACTONCO2 logo:
See B&W *.pdf scan here:
http://ccgi.newbery1.plus.com/DECC_AD_SUN_TIMES_08_11_2009.pdf
Correct me if I’m wrong, but from my understanding of the physics’ is there is no such thing as a “heat trapping gas” This description doesn’t even come close to describing the part CO2 plays in radiating heat from the sea and land back into space, but is more a convenient description if one rolls in together the unproven feedback or forcing theories. Or is this “artistic licence” allowed in advertising
Surely when we as the electorate are faced with fundamental and draconian changes as articulated by the current government, we deserve to be treated as educated adults as my expectation at least is that we have the exact process explained to us. Surely this fairytale stuff is unlawful based on the fact that it is simply untrue. Is it not a fact somewhere that public information must be factual and not based on imagined storylines? The latter is for Politics, and if that is the case then this is a misuse of public money.
Re comments #53-#56, basically the nursery-rhyme aspect of these ads makes them appear simultaneously creepy, patronising, unreal, surreal, offensive, divorced from science and poorly planned. You have to wonder what exactly the £6 million was spent on.
They are almost beyond parody - but not quite! Here’s one I just made up:
Old Mother Hubbard / Went to the cupboard, / To give the poor dog a bone: / When she came there, / The cupboard was bare, / And so the poor dog had none, because a severe drought due to dangerous Climate Change wholly caused by man-made CO2 had killed all the livestock, which then also forced Old Mother Hubbard to eat her poor dog and become a climate refugee, expiring at last of dengue fever just before a storm surge washed away the entire refugee camp. Goodnight children - sleep tight.
geoffchambers #54
I agree with you about overstating the ‘abuse’ part of the advert (and it did cross my mind at the time of writing).
Once it can be established that the ad contains two separate ’stories’ - one within the other - it could be challenged on the grounds that the voiceover fails to identify which ’story’ is being referred to… and is therefore intentionally misleading the viewer.
The first ’story’ is the formula of the ad itself… a young child in secure space at night… an adult male enters that space… the adult male does something which causes the young child psychological or physical distress. The intent is to place the viewer of this story in a corresponding state of distress which he/she acts - in the prescribed way - to stop.
The second ’story’ (within the first) is the content of the book object which is knowingly used by the adult male to cause distress.
Taken in isolation, the second story (the contents of the book) would be highly ineffective in causing any distress - let alone corresponding action - in the advertiser’s target audience (the advert itself clearly acknowledges that such material is only distressing to infants - who have not yet developed the capacity to place values on information and challenge it).
Therefore, the concluding voiceover, in stating that “it is up to us how the story ends”, can only be referring to the first story in the ad and the distress this story intends to cause in the viewer - whilst on the surface the statement appears to be referring to the second (more obvious) ’story’. The only ‘logic’ in the ad’s message is that if the viewer wants to end adult males entering little girls’ bedrooms at night and causing them distress the viewer must cut back on CO2 emissions.
Stop it Alex, its catching!
I tried another version that started:
but decided I had better not go there. How about a whole anthology of ‘Nursery Rhymes for Warming Times’?
In the end, I just couldn’t stop myself:
Now I wonder what one could do with ‘Dr Foster went to
GloucesterCopenhagen …’?TonyN
Before you get out the snippers.
This is not a nursery rhyme, but more in the southern blues style (to the tune of “That man of mine”)
Sea ice is meltin’
And temperature’s high
It’s that carbon dioxide
Way up in the sky
Cain’t help hatin’ them greenhouse blues.
Polar bears drownin’
And penguins all sick
If we change out our light bulbs
That might do the trick
Cain’t help hatin’ them greenhouse blues.
Sea level’s risin’
An inch every day
And if we can’t see it
It’s true anyway.
Cain’t help hatin’ them greenhouse blues.
Floods and tornadoes
A forty-year drought
And tropical cyclones
Will all come about
Cain’t help hatin’ them greenhouse blues.
Them scientists told us
It’s gotta be right
They’ve got them computers
That work day and night
Cain’t help hatin’ them greenhouse blues.
Let’s set up some windmills
They really look vile
But we’re savin’ the planet
So that makes it worthwhile
Cain’t help hatin’ them greenhouse blues.
Politicians they tell us
It’s all based on facts
But they’re gonna save us
With a big carbon tax.
Cain’t help hatin’ them greenhouse blues.
Tony, Max, bravo!
Peter Geany,
You say:
“Correct me if I’m wrong, but from my understanding of the physics is there is no such thing as a heat trapping gas”.
OK then and since you ask: It has been known since the 19th century that the earth is approximately 33 degC warmer than it would be if there were no GHG’s in the atmosphere. The main two GHGs are CO2 and water vapour. Ian Plimer ( and he should know shouldn’t he!) has suggested in his recent book that if there were no CO2 in the atmosphere, the temperature of the earth would be 18 degC lower. I would tend to agree with Max that it may not be quite that much, but nevertheless there is no disputing that CO2 is a significant GHG.
The IPCC have quoted that the likely warming will be about 3 degC if CO2 levels are allowed to double from pre-industrial levels. In that context we might well consider ourselves lucky that this figure isn’t considerably higher.
[TonyN: This tread is about the ACTONCO2 adverts and whether the claims made in them can be substantiated. I don’t want yet another discussion of pet theories about Co2 here. If you can quote a reference that the DECC might use to justify the content of the ads then that’s fine. The claims made in them are not qualified by terms such as ‘likely’, and that is the basis of complaints to the ASA that have been made by contributors to this thread. If you have views about the ads it would be interesting to hear them.]
Just a few questions:
1) Is there really “significant division amongst the scientific community” ? Yes, there are dissenting individuals, but can you name one organisation of any scientific repute that has come out against the findings of the IPCC?
2)The 40% figure is slightly misleading. 385/280 = 1.375. This works out at only 37.5% Is this the basis of your objection?
3)CO2 like many even more harmful substances, is an invisible gas. Any cartoonist would have to use some artistic licence to get the point across. How would you draw it?
4) The political question is difficult. Are we allowed to talk about politics on this blog? President Reagan wasn’t known for his pro-environmentalist sympathies, and I would guess that his prime motivation for passing the problem to the IPCC was to buy him some time, but having done that, it’s somewhat churlish of you guys to argue against the IPCC’s decision.
Much of the opposition to the IPCC’s findings is political but dressed up as science.
There has to be an independent Umpire who can be relied upon to separate the politics from the science. Who would you suggest? A handpicked panel of Lindzen, Spencer, Monckton and others of like mind?
Peter M
Some answers, and some questions for you too:
1) Numbers don’t count for a scientific controversy to be significant. Think plate tectonics, the big bang, Einstein’s famous dictum that it only needs one dissenter if they are right. The TV advert does not admit to any dissent. If you think that it does then how about a quote from the transcript here:
http://ccgi.newbery1.plus.com/1st_ad_transcript.doc
2) This assigns the whole increase in atmospheric Co2 to human emissions, or rather more as you point out. I don’t remember seeing an IPCC reference to support this, but perhaps you have.
3) I would depict co2 any way that the client wanted.
4) See links to the complaints earlier in this thread; you’ve missed the point.
Manacker #61
You’ve just ruined a beautiful Lena Horne standard for me. Shame on you. Anyway, for climate change classics, you can’t do better than Ann Kelly in “Kiss Me Kate” singing “It’s Too Darn Hot”, or the Comedian Harmonists (c1929) singing “Stormy Weather” in French and German. Google brothers, google.
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